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		<title>By: Joff</title>
		<link>http://www.dave-woods.co.uk/index.php/get-ready-for-ie8/comment-page-1/#comment-5478</link>
		<dc:creator>Joff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 08:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst IE7&#039;s not perfect, it&#039;s not too bad all things considered. It&#039;s IE6 that leaves me swearing at the screen on many occasions!

I think a concious decision has to be made at some point to stop the support for IE6.  Yes some users are still using it for whatever reason, but it&#039;s a bad bad browser.  They managed to phase out the sale of leaded petrol, so lets phase out the support for IE6.  Don&#039;t make your website work in the browser, force the site to a &quot;your browser needs updating&quot; page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst IE7&#8242;s not perfect, it&#8217;s not too bad all things considered. It&#8217;s IE6 that leaves me swearing at the screen on many occasions!</p>
<p>I think a concious decision has to be made at some point to stop the support for IE6.  Yes some users are still using it for whatever reason, but it&#8217;s a bad bad browser.  They managed to phase out the sale of leaded petrol, so lets phase out the support for IE6.  Don&#8217;t make your website work in the browser, force the site to a &#8220;your browser needs updating&#8221; page.</p>
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		<title>By: Great Resources Elsewhere: May 26 to June 02 - CSSnewbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great Resources Elsewhere: May 26 to June 02 - CSSnewbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 07:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rob Mason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree that IE8 is a step forward, but I still don&#039;t like the UI...seems too clunky and unusable (IMHO). Still at least MS are making the right noises and moves in the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree that IE8 is a step forward, but I still don&#8217;t like the UI&#8230;seems too clunky and unusable (IMHO). Still at least MS are making the right noises and moves in the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The meta tag isn&#039;t really for us standards compliant developers. You&#039;re right in your comments about Microsoft&#039;s biggest problem being their ancestors as that has been the major issue in IE7 having such a slow uptake.

When IE7 first came out it was perceived to have broken the web in a lot of cases due to it&#039;s rendering difference from IE6.

Microsoft have obviously taken the decision that this can&#039;t happen again and by providing this meta tag hopefully the take up of IE8 will be a little quicker.

IE7 was also obviously slowed down somewhat by Microsoft checking that it was being installed on a valid Windows system so hopefully they&#039;ve got things in place this time to ensure it gets rolled out much quicker and to a wider audience using Window update (which I believe they did with IE7 to some extent?)

I do share your concerns though and it&#039;ll probably be adopted quite slowly compared to Firefox, Opera and Safari users so sadly we&#039;ll still have to consider IE6 for the next year or so and IE7 for a little longer than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The meta tag isn&#8217;t really for us standards compliant developers. You&#8217;re right in your comments about Microsoft&#8217;s biggest problem being their ancestors as that has been the major issue in IE7 having such a slow uptake.</p>
<p>When IE7 first came out it was perceived to have broken the web in a lot of cases due to it&#8217;s rendering difference from IE6.</p>
<p>Microsoft have obviously taken the decision that this can&#8217;t happen again and by providing this meta tag hopefully the take up of IE8 will be a little quicker.</p>
<p>IE7 was also obviously slowed down somewhat by Microsoft checking that it was being installed on a valid Windows system so hopefully they&#8217;ve got things in place this time to ensure it gets rolled out much quicker and to a wider audience using Window update (which I believe they did with IE7 to some extent?)</p>
<p>I do share your concerns though and it&#8217;ll probably be adopted quite slowly compared to Firefox, Opera and Safari users so sadly we&#8217;ll still have to consider IE6 for the next year or so and IE7 for a little longer than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Greyling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Greyling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I can&#039;t understand how this new browser tage will have any impact at all! Having had a quick look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;W3 Schools&lt;/a&gt;, I can see that not only does IE7 have a large market share (~25%), but IE6 &lt;em&gt;STILL&lt;/em&gt; carries the flag at just under 30% usage.

Now most of the IE6 users, I grant you, are most likely stuck under the draconian thumb or large corporates that refuse to upgrade the default XP browser with the times, but I ask you - even those that have made the leap to IE7, do you really think IE8 is going to get anywhere close to a significant percentage of users within the first year (2 years?) of its release? If not, then that fancy new piece of meta-data will be lost in the ether - in this sense, IE8&#039;s worst enemy is not Firefox or Opera or even Safari - but rather it&#039;s ancestors! Unless the IE team pull a clever (nasty?) trick like the Safari boys did (in including the brower as part of a &quot;Recommended Important&quot; update along with iTunes), by including it with windows update - then it&#039;s not going to get much mileage - and even then the corprates will still punish themselves by using IE6 until they all upgrade to Vista (which isn&#039;t going very well we&#039;ve seen).

I&#039;m a designer/developer like you (and most others that read your blog) - and of course I&#039;ll be upgrading to FF3 and IE8 as soon as they launch, but only because &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; can&#039;t bare to see webistes rendered incorrectly (FF2 does it nicely though), but that doesn&#039;t mean that the average Joe out there is going to upgrade - Where is their value add?! There is none really - as long as they can view &quot;most&quot; websites they need to without issues, they&#039;re never going to upgrade on their own. This means only one thing - we&#039;re doomed to support IE6and7 or years to come, and fancy new meta tags &quot;ain&#039;t gonna change that&quot;. I wish it could be as simple as adding that tag though - wouldn&#039;t it be nice to just leave all that non-compliance behind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I can&#8217;t understand how this new browser tage will have any impact at all! Having had a quick look at <a href="http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp" rel="nofollow">W3 Schools</a>, I can see that not only does IE7 have a large market share (~25%), but IE6 <em>STILL</em> carries the flag at just under 30% usage.</p>
<p>Now most of the IE6 users, I grant you, are most likely stuck under the draconian thumb or large corporates that refuse to upgrade the default XP browser with the times, but I ask you &#8211; even those that have made the leap to IE7, do you really think IE8 is going to get anywhere close to a significant percentage of users within the first year (2 years?) of its release? If not, then that fancy new piece of meta-data will be lost in the ether &#8211; in this sense, IE8&#8242;s worst enemy is not Firefox or Opera or even Safari &#8211; but rather it&#8217;s ancestors! Unless the IE team pull a clever (nasty?) trick like the Safari boys did (in including the brower as part of a &#8220;Recommended Important&#8221; update along with iTunes), by including it with windows update &#8211; then it&#8217;s not going to get much mileage &#8211; and even then the corprates will still punish themselves by using IE6 until they all upgrade to Vista (which isn&#8217;t going very well we&#8217;ve seen).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a designer/developer like you (and most others that read your blog) &#8211; and of course I&#8217;ll be upgrading to FF3 and IE8 as soon as they launch, but only because <em>I</em> can&#8217;t bare to see webistes rendered incorrectly (FF2 does it nicely though), but that doesn&#8217;t mean that the average Joe out there is going to upgrade &#8211; Where is their value add?! There is none really &#8211; as long as they can view &#8220;most&#8221; websites they need to without issues, they&#8217;re never going to upgrade on their own. This means only one thing &#8211; we&#8217;re doomed to support IE6and7 or years to come, and fancy new meta tags &#8220;ain&#8217;t gonna change that&#8221;. I wish it could be as simple as adding that tag though &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t it be nice to just leave all that non-compliance behind!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Maxwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, IE7 wasn&#039;t too bad, but it would be nice to make a page once and KNOW it will work on all browsers. Once IE6 is finally dead it will be a GOD SEND for me and most developers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, IE7 wasn&#8217;t too bad, but it would be nice to make a page once and KNOW it will work on all browsers. Once IE6 is finally dead it will be a GOD SEND for me and most developers.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, I didn&#039;t find IE7 too bad but the improvements will hopefully put to bed the remaining problems once and for all (particularly haslayout).

I&#039;ll also be interested to see how IE8 deals with height vs min-height without the meta tag as I can see that causing quite a few problems for non-standards developers who will suddenly see a lot of their content overlapping.

It&#039;ll be great once we start to see IE6 phasing out and finally move another step closer to a standardised web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, I didn&#8217;t find IE7 too bad but the improvements will hopefully put to bed the remaining problems once and for all (particularly haslayout).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also be interested to see how IE8 deals with height vs min-height without the meta tag as I can see that causing quite a few problems for non-standards developers who will suddenly see a lot of their content overlapping.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be great once we start to see IE6 phasing out and finally move another step closer to a standardised web.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Maxwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just at Web Visions 08&#039; here in Portland, Oregon USA and one of the programmers from Microsoft IE talked about IE8, it was a 1 hour lecture of just IE8. I for one am glad that Microsoft is stepping up to the plate with the other browsers. IE8 will support CSS 2.1 Fully, 100% which will making website so much easier now that I would have to make multiple css files or css hacks. Keep us posted Dave when the new browser is available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just at Web Visions 08&#8242; here in Portland, Oregon USA and one of the programmers from Microsoft IE talked about IE8, it was a 1 hour lecture of just IE8. I for one am glad that Microsoft is stepping up to the plate with the other browsers. IE8 will support CSS 2.1 Fully, 100% which will making website so much easier now that I would have to make multiple css files or css hacks. Keep us posted Dave when the new browser is available.</p>
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